Season 4 Episode 15: Gravity in Leadership: Conversation with Brett Kaufman

s4e15-Interview with Brett Kaufman
s4e15-Interview with Brett Kaufman

The most effective leaders in the world gravitate toward authenticity, service and connection. Jason Barger chats with entrepreneur and philanthropist, Brett Kaufman, about authoring the life you want to create.

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1:47 – Jason introduces Season 4 episode 15 of the podcast. Welcome back to the podcast on corporate culture and leadership and thank you for listening. We engage thought leaders like CEOs, CFOs, managers, VPs, directors, and more for this podcast. We wish to create content that engages your mind and heart and allows you to step back and think and add some positivity to your life. This podcast is a discussion with Brett Kaufman of Kaufman Development & Gravity Podcast. Learn more about Brett here.

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2:30 – Please leave a review for the podcast

3:40 – We can’t control everything but what we can control is our response. Still a lot of work to do but wanted to remind the audience what is within our control is the temperature we create in the organizations and teams we work with. If you have a suggestion, please send to

5:30 – Jason talks with Brett Kaufman. Brett begins about the journey of self-discovery and stepping back from the “programming” of everyday life and to begin finding his own path.

10:45 – Success is a journey but to be the author of your own life and how you want to show up in the world and the impact you want to have is discussed with Jason and Brett. Brett talks about when he first began feeling that change in his life. Brett got a coach to help him through his time 15 years ago that changed how he thought about his life and impacted his future.

Get to Gratitude.

14:15 – We are in such challenging times, Brett and Jason discuss how to lead people during the times that we are in right now.

18:07 – People come from all places, angles, and experiences. This time has been more difficult for many and a battle for so many is what can we control? There are some decisions in our lives that we are in control of, some do have less control in their lives than others and the truly fortunate are those that can make more of their own decisions but we all make decisions every day for our lives and some decisions can change our lives for the better. Brett and Jason are very grateful to be in a good place where they can make positive impacts on themselves and others during these difficult times.

19:10 – What does it mean to take one step closer to each other? Jason talks about the term leadership and how it has been hijacked. The term needs to be redefined. What does leadership look like in the world today? Are there traits or attributes that you recognize that you are drawn to? Brett: yes there are. Leadership can look more like authenticity and standing for something or a bigger picture. Brett talks about his speech at the Columbus Chamber this year about leveling up and what that means and being authentic if it is possible. The importance is getting back to the basics, of caring, love, kindness, and being authentic.

25:10 – As your business has grown, collaboration is important and setting the temperature for the organization. The important principles that create meaningful work for people mentioned from an impressive psychological study from major organizations in Episode 6. Purpose is important to people, being inspired, Brett says that you don’t need a consultant to tell you that but often people in the organization don’t validate it.

34:00 – You need buy-in from the top of the organization from the top to the bottom for any data to be impactful in an organization. Are we truly going to live and breathe this in an organization? A discussion on this topic occurs.

Developing the whole person rather than the busyness of business. You need buy-in from the top to the bottom for any data to be impactful at all in an organization.

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Conversations and micro-thoughts to engage your mind and heart.

A thermostat is proactive. It sets the temperature in a room. Controls the temperature. Regulates the temperature. But in today’s distracted, fast-paced and digital world, it’s easy for individuals and organizations to act more like thermometers, slipping into reactionary thinking, becoming scattered and inconsistent. The most compelling leaders, teams, organizations, families or collection of humans of any kind operate in thermostat mode. They calibrate their mind and heart to set the temperature for the vision and culture they want to create. Jason Barger, globally celebrated author, keynote speaker, and founder of Step Back Leadership Consulting, is the host of The Thermostat, a podcast journey to discover authentic leadership, create compelling cultures and find clarity of mission, vision, and values.